JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL


You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal”.

Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

  • Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
  • Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready? Now pay attention…

  • Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
  • Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
  • Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
  • Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
  • Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
  • Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
  • Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.
  • Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
  • Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
  • Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.00.
  • Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
  • Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..
  • Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
  • Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school.

  • Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches
  • Jose Illegal’s children geta government sponsored lunch.
  • Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program.
  • Joe Legal’s children go home.
  • Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?

If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens…You are part of the problem!

It’s way PAST time to take a stand for America and Americans!

What are you waiting for?

Pass it on.

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~ by Normanomicon on June 1, 2010.

3 Responses to “JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL”

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  2. There are more than a few factual errors with this scenario. First, if Jose’s boss is in the habit of hiring undocumented workers, then he has a vested interest in covering his ass with the INS. So Jose’s boss will insist on seeing a social security card and green card that look good enough that he can plausibly deny he suspected they were fake, even if he told Jose where he can get passable fake documents. What does this mean? Jose has filled out both a W-4 and I-9 form. Taxes are being withheld from his paycheck, but he can’t file a return to get any of his money back for fear of being deported. Advantage: Joe, whose tax burden is reduced because Jose’s is raised.

    However, it’s unlikely that Jose is working in construciton. Most undocumented workers do much nastier work, like fruit harvesting or meatpacking work, where they are paid a miserable piecework rate for backbreaking labor under unsafe conditions. They can’t complain about workplace injuries and hazards, or sexual harrassment and rape in the case of female workers, because their employers are able to call the INS and breathlessly claim that they “just discovered” that “one” of their workers is in this country illegally. The employers can get away with this because they either contract with or are large agribusiness conglomerates like IBP, who have more influence in immigration law than your elected representatives. Why do people like Jose work for these companies? In some cases, after paying to be smuggled into this country, they may not have the money to buy convincing papers. They may not be skilled in construciton. But in all likelihood, they were recruited in their home country with the promise of a good job in America, brought to the middle of nowhere in the midwest, and told they’d be picking strawberries or killing pigs, or they’d be sent home. Who’s doing this recruiting? Keith Olbermann? Micheal Moore? Janeane Garofalo? No, it’s somebody who is employed by the agribusiness conglomerate who’s exploiting poor Jose.(Incidentally, the above statements are amply documented in Eric Schlossers’s book Fast Food Nation, and in the movie Food, Inc.) Advantage: Joe, for two reasons. First, he doesn’t have to do the job Jose does. He may, in fact, be Jose’s foreman. Second, the low price of the strawberries Joe buys in the supermarket, and the chicken nuggets in McDonalds are a direct result of Jose’s cheap labor.

    When it comes to housing, Jose is equally screwed. Reputable landlords are too gun-shy about renting to undocumented people, so Jose is left renting from a disreputable landlord. Jose is being charged an exhorbitant rate to live in a poorly-maintained apartment, lacking such amenities as heat, hot water, smoke alarms, and other things that Joe can take for granted. In fact, Jose probably can’t afford the rent himself, so Ramon, Jaime, Luis, Primo, and Javier share a two-bedroom space with Jose. And maybe their wives and kids, too. The odds of any of them getting any kind of rent subsidy are slim to none. Advantage: Joe, because increasing the demand for shitty apartments decreases the demand–and the price–for good ones.

    Since I brought up Jose’s wife and kids, let’s look at them for a minute. Odds are, they’re actually back in their home country. Jose sends most of his meager pay back to them. If Jose’s wife Maria is in America, she has to work to help make rent and put food on the table. She’s obviously not going to be in construction or working as a diswasher, so she’s a houskeeper if she’s lucky, or a nanny if she’s really lucky. The above scenarios should make it clear that neither Maria nor Jose are lucky people. If Jose’s working in the fields or meatpacking plant, Maria’s probably working alongside him. Actually…no. She’s probably working somewhere out of earshot. It’s easier to sexually harass or rape her that way. If Jose’s kids are in the United States, odds are that they were born there. That means that they’re U.S. citizens, entitled to all the benefits you resent them for receiving. Of course, they’re probably not recieving them for very long. Jose’s family has a lot of bills to pay, so Jose and Maria’s kids are probably out of school as soon as they look old enough to pass for sixteen with a fake ID, so they can get a full or part time job and contribute to the family. Even if Jose and Maria’s kids are getting ESL classes, in many school districts, they’re stuck in remedial programs until they “master” English, no matter how smart they are. They’re not recieving the benefits of the educational system that Jose and Maria’s tax dollars (see the first section) are paying for. Also, even if Jose and Maria are willing to let their kids stay in school, they’re certainly working as many hours as possible after school. Reading and homework are B priorities at best. Advantage: Joe’s kids, who don’t have to compete on a level paying field in the classroom.

    I’d take on the medical issues, but health care reform is a whole ‘nother issue. I’ll just point out that the notion of “full medical and dental coverage” though free clinics is laughable, and I say this as someone who lived without medical coverage for some time.

    Look, the point of this isn’t to make you dance with joy at the immigration status quo, and I think it should be pretty clear that I’m not happy with it either. The point is that you and I benefit from the exploitation of undocumented workers. We pay less for food and services because of the terrible ways they are treated. We’re also harmed by it, though. Because we are taught to resent, fear, and ultimately hate people who share our beliefs that hard work should be rewarded, that the next generation should have a better life than ours, and that the weak deserve protection from the powerful. These people are our moral allies, and we’re being persuaded to blame them for our problems.

    But I’m willing to throw that aside for the sake of the argument. I will play devil’s advocate and assume for a moment that none of facts I’ve pointed out exist; that the Joe vs. Jose scenario is true as written. I then ask you this: Why are you angry at Jose? Jose did not create the situation; Jose’s boss did. Why do you say, “Punish undocumented laborers!” instead of “Punish the people who hire undocumented laborers!” Jose isn’t scewing you, Jose’s boss, and the people who encourage Jose’s boss to hire Jose are screwing you.

    And that’s if all the facts I’ve pointed out to you don’t exist.

    But they do.

    Norm, I say this with all the love in the world. This is beneath you. The situation as it is demands that Jose recieve your compassion, that those who seek to help Jose recieve your support, and that those who seek to harden you heart against Jose recieve your contempt.

    And that’s all I have.

  3. To Wil:

    I believe you missed the point of the post. Bottom line…People who are in the USA ILLEGALLY have no right to any benefit that a LEGAL resident is entitled to.

    Illegal aliens need to go through the proper channels in order to enter the USA. Unfortunately, they do not because many would not be granted entrance because they would not be a contributing member of society.

    Please do not push the sympathy button. There are millions of hardworking AMERICAN CITIZENS who do not receive benefits because they “make to much money”. We could expand benefits to include millions of AMERICAN CITIZENS if we were not supporting people who are here ILLEGALLY!

    IF YOU ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY YOU DO NOT DESERVE MY SYMPATHY OR MY HELP! GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND MAKE IT BETTER!

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